Minutes of the Fall 2008 Meeting

 

The meeting was held at the Ottawa Fire Service Training Centre, 898 Industrial Ave., Ottawa at 1:00 PM November 1st, 2008.

The following members and participants were present:

Member/Participant

System/Organization

Tim Pekkonen, VE3UO

Chairman, SLVRC, Quinte ARC

Luc Pernot, VE3JGL

Frequency Coordinator, SLVRC

Mike Ligęza, VE3UIL

Secretary, SLVRC

Pierre Lemoyne, VE3FLO

Treasurer, SLVRC

Graham Ide, VE3BYT

Webmaster, SLVRC

Bob Van Amstel, VE3AJV

VE3LGA, Lansdowne, L/G ARES

VE3IRO, Iroquois, Iroquois ARC

Lance Peterson, VA3LP

VA3PRA, Rockland

Jim Thiessen, VA3KV

VE3PRV, Rockland

Peter Gamble, VE3BQP

VE3OCE, Ottawa, EMRG

VA3EMV, Ottawa, EMRG

VA3OFS, Ottawa, EMRG

Wayne Getchell, VE3CZO
Brian Campbell, VE3ZRK

VE3TVA, Ottawa
VE2CRA, Gatineau

 

 

Peter Carss, VE3XEM

VE3MPC, Ottawa

Doug Pearson, VE3HTR

VE3SVC, Cornwall, SVARC ARES

VE3MTA, Cornwall, SVARC ARES

VA3SDG, Cornwall, SVARC ARES

Graham MacDonald, VE3IGM

VE3YGM, Cornwall

Carl Beaudry, VA2CMB

VE2REH, Gatineau, A.R.A.I.

VA2RAH, Gatineau, A.R.A.I.

VE2REG, Gatineau, A.R.A.I.

Martin O'Connor, VE2NTM

VE2REH, Gatineau


1) Call to Order

Introduction of SLVRC Executive & Guests Present.

Chairman, Tim Pekkonen VE3UO called the meeting to order at 1:08 PM.  There were 16 members present including 4 members of the SLVRC executive.

 
2)Approval of Spring 2008 Minutes

Tim asked if there were any errors or omissions in the previous minutes. None were noted.  Motion by Bob VE3AJV and Peter VE3BQP to accept the minutes as submitted.  Motion carried.

  Items arising from the Minutes:

a) SLVRC website - Technical Information Report Form & Posting of Repeater Listings

Tim reported that the SLVRC web site has been up-dated so that the Technical Information report submittal form is now functioning.  In addition reports from the database are now available through the SLVRC web site. As a temporary measure these reports are hosted on Mike VE3UIL's web site.  Data and corrections to the database are now being made in a timely manner.

Carl VA2CMB noted that the link frequencies we also posted on the reports.  It would be preferred that they not be posted.  Mike VE3UIL noted this and undertook to remove those from the report ASAP.

Peter VE3XEM also asked of it would be possible to have reports available in Excel format.  Graham VE3BYT undertook to look into that matter.

 
b) Requirement for Tech Reports Annually / De-coordination of systems lacking Full Reports

At the Spring meeting, all system operators were asked to submit a FULL Technical Information report by the end of October, 2008.

Tim VE3UO noted that 93 out of 185 listed repeaters had submitted reports as requested. 

It was further noted that the SLVRC policy states that if reports are no received for systems, then “the SLVRC may assume the system to be non-operational and may, with notice, suspend the coordinations applying to the system and, subject to appeal, release the frequency(ies) to the pool of frequencies available for reallocation.”

It was suggested that the SLVRC should notify those not submitting reports, that if the missing reports are not received within 30 days, then the SLVRC will begin implementing the policy as noted above.

Discussion on this was held at the meeting and general consensus was reached that the SLVRC should apply this policy.

With respected to NEW repeater coordinations it was noted that CTCSS sub-tones are required on both input and output for all new repeaters in the 2m and 70cm bands.  Further, a relocation of existing repeaters, or a material change in performance characteristics  shall be deemed to be a NEW coordination, and as such the above policy shall apply.

The SLVRC policy is available for review on the SLVRC Web site http://slvrc.org/slvpolicy.htm

 
c) D-Star - the debate rages on!

At the Spring meeting, the SLVRC noted that it had adopted a policy of applying the same rules for frequency coordination to D-Star repeater applications as is applied to analog repeaters.  This policy is in keeping with a recent FCC decision that denied applications for D-Star repeaters in the US be allowed to use other “digital sub-bands” for D-Star repeaters, rather than the regular repeater sub-bands.

 
d)Smart Meters - any new info ?

No new information as provided, although Mike VE3UIL noted that Smart meters were being installed in the Smiths Falls area recently.  Based on the information available it appears that the systems used operate in the 2 Ghz band.

Wayne VE3CZO noted that he still observes interference in the 902-938 Mhz band on the Ottawa ATV repeater.  The interference is of a highly intermittent nature such that narrow band users may notice only the occasional interference.  However, wide band users such as the ATV system will see more noticeable interference.

Wayne undertook to provide a clearer indication of the nature and duty cycle of this interference.

 
e) Frequency Coordination in Quebec – any new info?

Carl VA2CMB noted that there still appears to be little coordination activity of repeaters within Quebec.

 

3) Report on SLVRC Executive Meeting held at Carp Hamfest

(Most items from this meeting covered elsewhere.)

  a) A request from VE7QH concerning the SLVRC's policy regarding D-Star coordination was answered by Mike VE3UIL

  b) Kingston VE3KBR 146.940 will implement PL tones.  An existing coordination VE2CRA on the same frequency in Old Chelsea, QC  has recently implemented CTCSS tones.  Kingston ARC has agreed to implement tones in the near future.

  c) Clarendon Station VE3KAR 147.09 will also implement PL tone - aware of QRM to Malone NY.

The VE3KAR system was coordinated for Kingston, but the relocation of this system to Clarendon Station constitutes a NEW coordination and as such requires tones.  In addition a complaint has been received from the operators of the 147.090 system NG2C in Malone, NY that interference is being received by users of their system from the new VE3KAR location.

The long term solution to this matter may have to be assignment of new frequencies.

 
d) Outstanding frequency requests at this meeting – status

Tim VE3UO reviewed the outstanding requests:

  Link frequency for John Vining VA3EDG

Link Frequency for Allan Boa VA3BOA re: VE2RWC repeater

Freq request 53.21 Tx/52.21 Rx for Greg Zinger N2GZ re: K2CC repeater

Freq requests Peter Gamble VE3BQP for VE3OCE (vhf) and VA3EMV/E or VA3EMV/W

Freq request (new) 145.41 for Brian Redden VE3HQR for VA3SDR Eldorado ON

  i) An uncoordinated system has been noted on 442.20 Mhz located at Rideau Ferry

  ii) Mike VE3UIL also noted that a request from Lance VA3LP for a 70cm link frequency between Alfred and Hammond is still outstanding.

 

  4) SLVRC Executive Reports

  a) Chairman – resignation

Tim VE3UO noted that he had been chairman of the SLVRC since 2001, and that he felt that it was time for a new chairman.  He therefore submitted his resignation effective after the Spring 2009 meeting in order to allow time for a new chairman to come forward.

 
b) Frequency Coordinator

None noted.

 
c)Secretary

Mike – VE3UIL noted that a lot of time has been spent in trying to clean up the database and input all of the reports that had been submitted. 

The cooperation of those that have spent the time and effort to submit Technical Information reports is appreciated.

Further continued cooperation would be appreciated in getting the rest of the Technical Information reports submitted.

Every effort will be made to ensure that the database is kept as up-to-date as possible.

 
d) Treasurer

Pierre VE3FLO reported that the current balance for the SLVRC bank account is $2778.89.  See attachment A

 
e) Webmaster

Continued efforts are underway to improve the SLVRC web site, such as improving the format of the database reports.

 

5)New Business

The matter of Bill 118 tabled in the Ontario Provincial Legislature was raised.  This bill covers the use of cell phones and other similar electronic devices while driving a vehicle. Some discussion was held as to how much of an impact this will have on amateur radio operators  operating mobile systems.

It was suggested that if anyone has concerns that they contact Bob Cooke, RAC VP of Field Services.

 
6) Presentation:
Peter Gamble VE3BQP (Emergency Measures Radio Group)

Peter VE3BPQ reviewed the progress of the implementation of the repeater network in Ottawa by the EMRG.  Some issues over interference between different parts of the network are being addressed.

Peter also reviewed the need for such a network for EMRG stressing that the system is also available for general use by all licensed amateurs.

 

7) Repeater Sponsors Reports

Representatives then presented brief reports on each of their systems.

Peter VE3BPQ – Ottawa EMRG repeater network has been established but interference issues need to be addressed.

Lance VA3LP – reported on VA3PRA and VE3PRV in Alfred and Hammond covering the Prescott/Russell area.  Lance noted that he is still waiting for a recommended 70cm link frequency from the SLVRC Frequency Coordinator.

Bob VE3AJV reported on the repeaters in the Prescott/Iroquois area.

Claude  VA2CMB reported that the VE2REH network was working well.   He also noted some issues that were being resolved caused by interference on a commercial tower, by relocating a repeater.  In addition a link at Mansfield will be turned into a repeater  before next Spring.

Doug-VE3HTR/Graham-VE3IGM reported on the systems in the Cornwall area.

Wayne VE3CZO reported on the Ottawa ATV repeater VE3TVA.  Wayne also reported on the status of VE2CRA and two links one to Sarsfield and a second new one to Tower C in Ottawa to be implemented in the Spring.

Peter VE3XEM reported on the status of VE3MPC now back on the air at its new location in Orleans (East-end Ottawa).  The system is on a 150 ft tower providing excellent coverage.   Some small additions need to be added such as the addition of tones and a phone patch.

Pierre VE3FLO reported on the VE3RLR repeater in Smiths Falls, which is being relocated due to the closure of the Rideau Regional Centre.

Mike VE3UIL reported on his Echolink terminal in Smiths Falls.

Tim VE3UO reported on the systems in Belleville.  Some maintenance issues will be addressed in the near future.

Luc VE3JGL noted that he will be inputting the database information to the ARRL soon.

 

8) Preliminary Determination of Date & Location of Spring 2009 SLVRC Meeting

After some discussion it was agreed that the Spring meeting of the SLVRC council will be held in Brockville.  Exact date and location will be resolved before Christmas and members will be notified.

At that meeting one of the items to be presented subject to confirmation is

“Commercial Frequency Coordination Software - Norm Rashleigh VE3LC”

 
9)  Adjournment

The meeting was adjourned at 3:00 PM.

 
Appendix A

Financial Report
 


 

 

Mike Ligeza - VE3UIL
Secretary - SLVRC



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